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The Divine Mr. M ([personal profile] nebris) wrote2011-08-03 01:10 pm

The Tea Party, the debt ceiling, and white Southern extremism

The goal, methods and passions of the Tea Party in the House are all characteristic of the radical Southern right

halialkers: Extinct elephant-like creature with shovel tusks (Amawi H'vat Kanari)

[personal profile] halialkers 2011-08-04 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Nitpick-they can't be fascists because their own brand of party-state totalitarianism predated fascism by about 60 years. They might be the ur-totalitarians but not fascists. Otherwise I don't disagree with that point.
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[personal profile] neonvincent 2011-08-04 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I think David Neiwert at Orcinus would probably disagree with you about your point, as he contends that the KKK was really the first fascist movement, if one uses the most succinct definition of fascism, palingenetic ultranationalism. Because of that ultranationalist component, any country's fascism is going to have elements unique to the nation (as much in the sense of people as country) that make it look different from any other country's fascism. Besides, any right-wing populist authoritarian movement, and the Tea Party is one, is going to be influenced by other successful right-wing movements, including their use of street muscle. I've told my friends on the left to start being worried about their personal safety when significant numbers of young people, particularly young white males, start hanging around Tea Party rallies. That's when they'll go from a bunch of cranky old folks to a real physical threat.
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[personal profile] halialkers 2011-08-04 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Fairly sure he's not a historical leg to stand on with that. Fascism was a product of WWI, just like Communism. Take out WWI and you distort fascism itself, just as you can't approach the Soviet Union without knowledge of the Eastern Front of 1914-7. Neither can you approach the history of the US totalitarianism without being aware of the extent to which the Civil War as Ulysses S. Grant single-handedly defeating every single CS general unfortunate enough to run into him co-existed with multiple civil wars pitting Southern whites v. Southern whites.

You had your guys like Major General Thomas and CS Adjutant General Samuel Cooper, generals of the regular armies from "the wrong" section, but you also had various local dissident groups and black and white anti-CS Southerners serving in the regular US Army.

This the Planters and landowners never forgave or forgot, and this is why they clamped down with a jackboot on any sign of white or black dissent.

These two books:

http://www.amazon.com/South-Vs-Anti-Confederate-Southerners-Shaped/dp/0195156293

http://www.amazon.com/Bitterly-Divided-Souths-Inner-Civil/dp/1595581081

Should be required reading in the study of US racism and our own totalitarianism because without them a lot of Southern politics and why the USA became what it did is not understandable. It also goes far to answer Neiwert and Robinson's typical over-generalized points that gloss over the nuance of history as it was.